"Except that I have made this point repeatedly: Britain DOES stand for tolerance. And free speech. And it defends the right to dissent. So when some (rather reactionary) people try and "protect" British culture by suggesting that anyone with "unacceptable" views should leave the country, there is a deep irony in their failure to grasp even the fundamental structures on which their democracy is founded."


Britain does NOT stand for Bloody Stupidity though...and for too long, we have.

We have put up with way too much shit for way too long, and you can only push the British so far before we explode.

'Tolerant' means that we put with way more shite than other countries, because of our kind and welcoming nature, but when that tolerance is abused....when our kindness and welcome are spat on with hatred, then sorry, but....the door is over there....

Stupid ideas like yours, where we should tolerate ANYONE and ANYTHING have led us to the state we are now in, where you have people who loathe this country, living here, taking advantage of all they can, whilst secretly preaching hatred and abuse to young men and undermining our society....or gangs from Eastern Europe who bring their tribal wars over here, their prostitutio rackets, etc.....

It stinks.

And if it had been stopped a long while back, things would be far better now.

If you let the rest of the world see you as a soft touch, then you will be treated like one.

Unconditional Love is not what democracy is about, because with that always come those who will abuse the love. Respect is what democracy is about, and with respect goes never preaching hatred or choosing to blow people up, hurt them, steal from them, or bring terror to people. That is unacceptable.

Democracy carries Responsibility with it.

And that goes for all people, of all colours, backgrounds and religions, no matter if they've lived here for generations or have just arrived on our shores.

We have long forgotten the respect part, in our rush to claim democracy as an open free for all, for all to behave as they so choose.

There have always been unwritten rules within our democracy, covering respect for others...Those rules have been thrown away by people who ain't interested in them. They are only interested in themselves and their visions.

And Lox, I do not defend 'wrong', no matter who the friend may be.

I will always tell someone when they are wrong. But I will be there to mop up the tears and give hugs to, when they're needed.

Tough Love
Tough Democrary


AND....as you believe so much in free speech, as does your pal Ralph, I'm sure you'll both now be writing to the BBC to ask them to restore MY freedom of speech on there...and to stop kicking up such a spiteful hullabaloo on here purely because you're angry that Joe HAS allowed me freedom of speech on here, against the wishes of you and your pals.

Once again, it staggers me that someone with your outlook, who seeks to stop people from having an opinion, having a voice, is running FAF, but...Wonders Never Cease...as they say...