Ron; From an old surface sailor, welcome to mudcat. I did my time on bird farms. I rather doubt the scenarios posted above. We (The U.S.) are not going to risk a nuclear war because Moscow takes a different tack with Libya or North Korea. The idea sounds like paranoia (A failing not limited to Russian politicians by any means) The U.K. or Norway certainly aren't going to risk that type of war either. I believe it was a collision or some sort of torpedo coook off. Meanwhile I continue to pray for those men and hope the rest of you do also. kindest reguards Neil PS As I write this, the news is saying that the crew of the Kursk is likely dead, God have mercy on them if they are. I shall mourn them for the brave men they were if it is true.