Don Froth:"Yes, GfS, I can admit it when I'm wrong, but I'm not wrong in this case. You are the one who doesn't dare admit that you are wrong because the whole defense you've built up for yourself is that sexual orientation is a matter of choice."

GfS: ALL sexual orientation?? ..like knocking up a woman, and leaving her pregnant, isn't a choice??...No, you were born that way...I guess that's what you mean.

"The three people I have met who claimed to have been cured of being homosexual were psychological basket cases. With them, "ex-gay" means depressed and perpetually angry. Also, all three of them have entirely given up sexual activity of any kind. And no friends, because not many people can stand to be around them for any length of time. Obviously, they have stuffed their true sexual nature back into the closet and are living in rigid denial. So much for your "cure."

GfS: You claimed in your post you hardly knew them, now you seem to have gotten intimate details of their life's outlook! I think you're full of shit!

You attack me on the basis of what you presume to be my religious beliefs, implying that I am a hypocrite because I don't believe in the power of God to "heal" gay people of their "aberration."


Gfs: No I didn't. I said you seemed to worship a God who is powerless to change lives...again, you're full of it!

"Well, just because I'm a member of a church doesn't mean that I believe in an anthropomorphic God who looks like Professor Dumbledore and performs magic tricks. It's an easy enough refutation of your position if I were to simply respond, "Why would God change them? He made them that way in the first place!"

GfS: You're wrong again!..Being so 'wonderfully Bible literate', you must have 'overlooked' the Gospel story, when Jesus was asked why a certain blind man was born that way.(oops)...remember the answer Jesus gave him??........UMMM fumble blather fumble...

"You are at odds with the medical and psychology fields with the contention, that sexual orientation is a matter of choice,"

GfS: Bullshit again! Some are born that way, as I described in an earlier post..and if you read your OWN post, about the guy who as he matured, and left alone to develop, he grew out of it. Oops, you forgot about that one...

"...and you cling fast to your hero, Richard Cohen, self-styled "ex-gay" who claims he cured himself and also claims he can cure others. His method? He lies on a sofa with his clients, strokes and caresses them, and assures them that they are, indeed, loved."

GfS: Personally, Dr. Cohen is not 'my hero'..He is just a person, who has had a turn around, and refutes your stupidly blind political crap, that you say is in the name of 'civil rights'. You indeed would deny anyone the RIGHT' TO CHANGE, and/or get medical treatment, based on your own PERSONAL political convictions(?)...Now just who is being narrow minded, and denying the right to even request help..and you think that the Fascist pigs, are somebody else....ya' got hoodwinked, Captain!

"Is that the way you go about it, counselor?"

GfS: No! It's all in perception...and you are indeed blind..blinded by something I find far more 'destructive' than homosexuality...and that is being a sperm donor, to a woman you deceived, and walking away from the child. You're just laundering your guilt(if you ever had the concept of right or wrong, or a conscience at all!!)...so you make excuses for everyone else to do what ever 'feels' good,..and make it so pompous, righteous, such a 'civil right'. YOU are the type of person that give reason for young boys begin to resent their masculinity!

"You and Ake are at least partially responsible for such atrocities as the brutal torturing and pistol-whipping of Matthew Shepard, whose battered body was left hanging on fence on a country road in Wyoming, to be found by a passersby,.....blah blah blah"

GfS: You are full of shit! How dare you make such a ridiculous accusation!
Your post shows beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you are irrational! I would think that a rational person would be totally embarrassed on making such an absurd accusation!...but then again, one would have to first have a dignity, to embarrass. You seem to have none!

"And the message upon which this whole Ungandan "kill the homosexuals" movement—read genocide—is based is found in Richard Cohen's book. What he says in his book is completely at odds with medical and psychological practice, and indeed, Cohen has neither credentials nor sanction by any professional organization. He's a charlatan. Yet, his book is being used as the basis for the passage of the "kill the homosexuals" laws in Uganda."

GfS: More evidence that you are a whack job! You've lost it pal, and anyone either side of this issue should clearly see that, by now. Just read your insane babbling!

"People like Cohen—and you—and Ake—spout the fictions that give psychopaths such those who murdered Matthew Shepard a feeling of justification for their brutality."

GfS: More off the wall wild, hostile, inaccurate frothing.


"Further:   It's notable that both you and Ake snap onto any thread having to do with homosexuality, like magnets to a refrigerator door. You can't resist an opportunity to spread your misinformation."

GfS: Speaking for yourself???? How come YOU are the one we find here??....spreading...ummm...what??? Perhaps your quote is revealing YOUR motive, that causes you to feel so compulsive, about the issue. Surely, your behavior toward that woman, who bore your child, and the child, could be an indication on just how much you are capable of 'loving' a woman..maybe you can't. I noticed in the post, when you went on about how Barbara was so interested in YOU, (Prop 8 thread), and all YOUR interests. You went on and on about YOU...You NEVER ONCE SAID THAT YOU LOVED HER....read it yourself! Want me to post it for you??

"But why are the two of you so obsessed with male homosexuality? What this kind of obsession clearly indicates (and this is sound psychology) is that you are both latent homosexuals who are in rigid denial and can't miss an opportunity to argue, not with me and others—but with your own inclinations."

Gosh, are you saying that homosexuals are really not as sound in the noggin' as you've previously indicated??.....Gosh, coming from you, that's quite a turn around!...but then again, you should know!


Don Firth

"P. S. Okay, GoofuS, let's hear your vociferous denials, personal attacks on everything about me, and your general kicking and screaming tantrum. This one ought to be a doozy!!"

GfS: Nope. I think you said enough to discredit yourself...all by yourself!

Happy now?.....You've got your heart's desire........all that attention!
Good Job!!