A lot of us sometimes go off on a tangent occasionally, but this thread has turned very nasty. I have a request to the mods/Joe here. Please can we close this thread as it's meandering off the vertical and turning into a slagging match.

Now it has taken a new twist, it's turning into a witch hunt for guest posts from members (a lot are guilty of that if we trawl through old threads). Please close this thread and every accept eachothers apologies.

The bloody march isn't going to take place now anyway.