Being 50 times more likely to be living with AIDS and being 50 times more likely to catch it are not the same thing.

Remember the question currently being adddressed?

Is homosexuality per se more risky.

You are presumably providing statistics that help in establishing the answer one way or the other.

If not then why don't you post the premiership league tables?

The answer is that for each individual on the receiving end of unprotected anal sex with a HIV positive partner, the chances of contracting HIV are 1 in 3.

For each Heterosexual woman having unprotected sex with a HIV positive partner, the chances range from 1 in 3, if she has anal sex, to 1 in 6 or 7 if she is having vaginal sex.

So being on the receiving end of unprotected penetrative sex with a HIV positive partner for a woman, is somewhere between the same risk and half as risky as unprotected penetrative sex for a gay man.

This disproves your assertion that some women in the west are "unable" to contract HIV.

What do your stats show then?

The statistics that you keep referring to demonstrate that circumstances are diferent in Africa and in Europe. They do not offer an explanation why that iis the case as you seem to be suggesting.


All we can deduce from the stats you provided is that due to circumstances in Africa, heterosexuals are disproportionately infected with HIV, whilst in Europe, Heterosexuals are disproportionately infected with HIV.

We cannot draw any conclusions about how healthy or unhealthy homosexuality is from your stats.

I remiind you again that that was the question being considered.

So Ake needs to admit that he was wrong, or we can take his refusal to do so as further evidence of his homophobia.

(bearing in mind that there is already lots regardless of the outcome of this discussion)