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Thread #126347   Message #2820519
Posted By: Lighter
24-Jan-10 - 03:44 PM
Thread Name: From SF to Sydney - 1853 Shanties Sung?
Subject: RE: From SF to Sydney - 1853 Shanties Sung?
Roxburghe credits "Time for us to Go" to Leland, who "avouches it genuiness."

However, Hugill's testimony seems to indicate that "A Hundred Years Ago" may well be Dana's "Time for Us To Go" with a different chorus.

One hint of a connection between the shanties is that both alternatives, "A Hundred Years Ago" and "Time for Us to Go," rhyme, are interchangeable in meter, and concern the subject of time. Hardly conclusive, but it would be somewhat more likely for one to morph into the other, if morphing occurred, than into something quite unrelated. Of course, it could be just coincidental.

Hugill says that "A Hundred Years Ago" is *also* called "'Tis Time for Us to Go." The fact that he repeats his alternative title as a subtitle and then expicitly repeats it again as an alternative chorus suggests to me that the variant chorus is one he actually recalled hearing at sea, rather than something to emphasize a theory. Supporting this interpretation is the fact that the title Dana gives is a bit different: "Time for Us to Go" instead of Hugill's "'Tis...." If Hugill was just speculating, he had no reason to introduce the "'Tis" or to carefully repeat it in the chorus.

Even if the shanties were the "same," we still have no idea what words Dana might have heard. In that early period of shantying, they may have been entirely improvised.

"Sally Brown" is a good candidate for 1854-55 because we know it was sung before the Civil War. But we still don't know what words might have been sung on that particular voyage.