Does Carly see it as hell, Mary?

I've said, throughout this thread, that autism affects everyone in different ways, from the mild to the tragic.

However, you surely cannot deny that many on the circle are gifted, Mary. Aspergers has many famous names within its circle.

Dave, please, enough. I've told you that Ben's life was saved by a wonderful school which specialises in chldren on the autism and severe dyslexia circle. What's the problem with that? The children are truly well looked after, by people who have time for them, who totally understand many of the problems and difficulties involved.

I have never advocated that children, or adults, who are autistic be 'locked up' or segregated from society. Show me where I have said such a thing. I have said that many children DO suffer, and they are suffering terribly, as Ben did, as the young people on the video link I put in, from The National Autistic Society, did. Watch it, then shout and scream to the NAS about it, not just me, because if you don't believe me, then it figures that you don't believe them either, or the autistic children themselves who suffered hugely at the hands of so called 'normal' children.

It's THERE, Dave. In the video. Go look for yourself and then come back and tell me what you think.

In an ideal world, all children would be kind to each other, no matter what the problems some have to endure, but in reality, in this country, in this present day, that is VERY far from what is happening, and if you think otherwise, then I can assure you, you are very wrong.

My wish IS for autistic children to be accepted and understood, AND, befriended too.

Ben may go to a special school during the day, but he still plays rugby, football etc..and has made friends at his school too. He is also friends with my son, and we go out of our way to try to help Kim wherever possible. Josh sees Ben as his friend, not 'his friend with autism' but simply....his friend, and...his best friend too.

Don't keep being nasty all the time, please.

I'm surrounded by those on the autism circle, so I do know what I'm talking about, and I've seen many sides of it. Not all sides, but many different ones, so I can appreciate how heartbreaking, all consuming and tearing apart it is, because I've watched my dearest friend tear herself apart over it...and I have it in my family.