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Thread #125426   Message #2824000
Posted By: Don Firth
28-Jan-10 - 06:48 PM
Thread Name: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
Ake uses the word "liberal" rather—well--liberally as a pejorative term. Obviously, he is opposed to liberalism.

So what is liberalism all about?
Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, "of freedom; worthy of a free man, gentlemanlike, courteous, generous") is the belief in the importance of individual freedom. This belief is widely accepted today throughout the world, and was recognized as an important value by many philosophers throughout history. The Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius wrote praising "the idea of a polity administered with regard to equal rights and equal freedom of speech, and the idea of a kingly government which respects, most of all, the freedom of the governed".

Liberalism was an important idea in the Age of Enlightenment, rejecting many foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status, and established religion. John Locke is often credited with laying the philosophical foundations of liberalism arguing strongly for limited government. He wrote "no one ought to harm another in his life, liberty, or possessions."

In the 17th Century, liberal ideas began to influence governments in Europe, in nations such as The Netherlands, Switzerland, England and Poland, but they were strongly opposed, often by armed might, by those who favored absolute monarchy and established religion. In the 18th Century, in America, the first modern liberal state was founded, without a monarch or a hereditary aristocracy. The American Declaration of Independence includes the words (which echo Locke) "all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to insure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

According to John N. Gray, the essence of liberalism is toleration of different beliefs and of different ideas as to what constitutes a good life.
I would say that Ake knows as much about liberals, liberalism, and "the liberal agenda" as he knows about most of the things he talks about.

Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada!

Ake and GfS have no solutions to the problems they allege are caused by homosexuals that they are willing to express frankly and openly. The truth is that all of Ake's flogging of HIV/AIDs figures and GfS's claims about same-sex orientation being a psychological abberation that needs to be "cured" are just a couple of weak excuses. They want all gays herded into a ghetto, then lock them in, and throw away the key.

As a liberal, I protest!


Don Firth