No, Keith, my assretions are not at odds with the WHO. I am not saying there will be a straight epidemic in the west to rival Africa. I am saying something quite different. You are running away.

On the causes of the incidence rate amongst gay men in the west, my assertions match de Cock - it's all about sexual networks. I am adding further detail to the discussion. You are running away

You never had any credibility with me, any that you have with others appears to be diminishing, I think.

At some point you have to put up, or shut up.

I have stated my grounds, they are cogent and logical. If you disagree then say so and say why.