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Thread #126884 Message #2827649
Posted By: mousethief
01-Feb-10 - 06:36 PM
Thread Name: BS: How to rule by fear - Execute them
Subject: RE: BS: How to rule by fear - Execute them
Intentional errors in the Latin texts -- never met any such things in my studies of both Christian and non-Christian sources. Besides most of the literate people in Latin didn't read the Bible at all but read commentaries on it like Lombard's Sentences. Once translations into common tongues began to be made, they went back to the original languages, the manuscripts of which were amazingly free of error, as comparisons among themselves as well as against new manuscripts discovered in the Elizabethan era and more recently have shown.
"Trespasses" -- First off the Lord's Prayer occurs in two forms, one in Matthew with "debts" and one in Luke with "sins/trespasses". It is not "as far as anybody knew" always "debts" -- in the original Greek there are two different words being translated, one meaning "debts" and one meaning "sins". There was no crossover between the two. So that whole "as far as anybody knew" thing is utter fabrication.
Second, the "trespasses" translation goes back to 1526 with Tyndale, a full 29 years before "trespass" was first recorded to mean "go illegally on someone else's land" -- before that it was simply a synonym for "sin" (as far back as the 13th century).
And so on, and so on.
And before you come down on me as a fundamentalist, spare your breath. I consider the Judeao-Christian Scriptures the record of the attempts of a line of people to come to grips with their experiences of (as they thought) God. I'm far, far from a fundamentalist.