Jim Carroll

It also avoids the resposibility that I believe should be adopted by all serious clubs to provide assistance to new singers rather than throwing them in at the deep-end by putting them in front of an audience before they have mastered the basics (singing in tune, and remembering and understanding the words enough to be able to share a song).

How are we supposed to know before we put them on?

This is very much a part of "to dumb down or not to dumb down2 argument that Bryan and I have been embroiled in over the last millenium or so; that's how it feels anyway.

I don't approve of dumbing down. You don't approve of dumbing down.What's the argument?