The situations that I refer to at the music camps are when a person has to leave a song circle where they can take turns and sing from the book and sit under flourescent blazing lights. They leave that group, which is the main lodge with a nice fireplace, which purpotedly is exactly what they want and then they find a group that has left to pursue another form of music, because they by and large hate the books and hate taking turns, and then they IMPOSE their will on the group that has (hopefully) told them in advance what their purpose was in going to anothre building. If they want to take turns with the books, there is a whole building set aside for them. Now, of course the elephant in the room is that the music most likely sounds better in the room with no books and no turns. So? If you like the better music, join in on their terms. Sit on your books. Let the alphas be alphas. If you want to take turns and support each other and read from the books, nobody minds if you do it in the default situation. Just don't come to where people are trying specifically to escape that and then impose it. mg