Look, this personal animosity between the various parties has, to my knowledge, been going on for years, both here and on other boards. Like I've said time and again, I personally don't take sides, but can I ask both sides to please (pretty please!) give it a rest now? It's getting very boring for the rest of us, it goes absolutely nowhere and it makes a lot of threads very hard going for anyone else who wants to contribute. Can we concentrate on the issues, not the personalities from now on?