Yes, GfS, I met two homosexuals who insisted that they had been "cured." But it was plainly obvious to those who knew them much better than I did that the form their "cure" had taken was that they were completely abstaining from sexual activity of any kind, and that they were showing signs of anxiety, depression, and hostility. I was told that they had been reasonably happy individuals until they were intimidated by the conservative, fundamentalist church they attended to "take the cure." Which, incidentally, consisted primarily of being told repeatedly that homosexuality is a mortal sin for which they would burn in Hell forever, along with aversion therapy (being presented with provocative material, then given electric shocks).

Two extremely screwed-up, unhappy, and hostile people. Cured? I think not!!

I explained all this before—but, of course, you either didn't read it or simply refused to retain it in that highly selective memory of yours.

As to your father, I was simply playing back the story you told in the Prop 8 thread, as an example of how you "knew for a fact" that homosexuality is a matter of choice. The story was YOURS!

And your comments about my relationship with my son and his mother have nothing to do with reality. I don't think you have the capability to understand the actual situation or the reasons for the decisions that were made—for the benefit of all concerned, not just my son and his mother. I made a substantial sacrifice for the benefit of others. And, no, I'm not going to explain it to you because, first, it's none of your business, and second, you simply have neither the brains nor the heart—nor the understanding of common decency—to understand anything like that.

As to the rest of your most recent post, once again I invite people here who have the stomach for it to go back over our posts in both threads and see for themselves who said what.

There is enough bovine fecal matter in your last post alone to fertilize the roses in a three state area.

By the way, the kind of hostility you are displaying toward me, I have seen before. From the two self-proclaimed "cured" homosexuals I talk about in the first paragraph. What's your excuse?

And also by the way, venting your bile by screwing around with someone's name is really childish.

Don Firth