And both of you, we have all been wrong on various occasions with our statistical analyses. That is the whole bloody point. The statistics are to a very large extent silly. These discussions should always be about the issues.

Ake, I can't believe that you have the nerve to come back here since every "soltution" to the HIV problem that you advocated - in any group of people - has been thrashed by your own evidence (from UNAIDS) and from your Cuban report.

Basically, Ake, you are the cause of a degree of HIV misery and you are a hindrance to tackling the spread of the disease amongst at-risk minorities.

The experts whose advice you say you value, all assert that prejudice and bigotry are factors acting against HIV prevention in at-risk groups.

So that is why nobody takes you seriously.