Keith:

Ake supports stigma and prejudice towards at-risk minorities. In his own small way, he is part of the problem and a hindrance to effective prevention of the spread of the disease.

I did not say that HIV was breaking out the high risk groups. I said - repeatedly - that there has been a 500% rise in heterosexual UK-acquired infections in recent years, that is a rise about 3 times greater than in gay men (regardless of place of acquisition) and that should be a cause for concern, not swept under the carpet.

That figure was introduced because others claimed that HIV prevalence was some sort of punishment reserved for sexual minorities who didn't behave like "normal folk". That figure stands as proof that such comparisons are stupid and futile - that straight people can manage such growth in the rate of new infections from such a low-risk starting point, is quite extraordinary.

The figure was a demonstration that everyone is at risk of this disease.You have accepted the truth of this, what the hell are you arguing now?

So when you sailed in and - totally neutrally - tried to disprove the comparisons supporting the common-sense position, what were you doing other than to add support to the bigoted views of others. When eventually you had to concede the point - to Lox even if it you couldn't bear to admit that to anyone else. That is your right wing, bigoted dogma.

This is why these bloody numbers are so silly. You have been right, you have been spectacularly wrong. You have had to retract much of what you said and you have had to disown your sources. I have misinterpreted some data and placed undue emphasis on others. So we keep bashing each other the head with them. Great. But silly. It's as silly for you as it is for me. But, Keith, it's all you've got!