I suspect that many, while feeling it is morally and ethically rerehensible to torture anything, have a deep down feeling that somehow they may show a little lenience if someone was holding a child who may die. I do not like confessing I am guilty of such thoughts BUT I would not go through with them nor allow them. It's just that basic instinct I suspect to help try save the child. The reason I could not and cannot accept it is that if I/we do, just once, then we subscribe to the whole idea of torture for truth. We could have someone who knows when a bomb is going off so we have to save lots of people. So we torture to get the truth again. We simply cannot.

The idea expressed that "one the line is crossed there is no line" is quite correct and chillingly so.

So I will take no moral high ground here and say I an against torture without at least admitting that, in some scenarios, I have thought it *may* be okay. Of course, morally and ethically I know we should not and that is how it has to be no matter how much the other side would do it. We are trying to show our way as right and proper. Questions as above touch a darker side to me sadly.

All that said....

what of so called-truth drugs? Any harm there?

mp