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Thread #127011   Message #2839032
Posted By: Ed T
14-Feb-10 - 12:30 PM
Thread Name: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
beeliner , you would make a good politician... many of these folks are good at   never answering a question directly, but redefine it to their best advantage:)

Here is what I understand to be the case:

I see that the defining statement of Christ was " "Thou art Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church" The RC church   interpret this to mean that Peter and those directly following (Popes) are made Gods main (and thus, infallable) agent on Earth.

Other Christian religeons do not interpret these words that . This interpretation is that   "the rock" is the Christian churches not any one human person, Peter or any one person following who claims to be the one human representative of God on Earth (the Pope to the RC church).

In the RC church, "The Pope is, then, "the Bishop of the Catholic Church," her teacher, the vicar (agent, deputy) of Christ on earth. He is the interpreter of the Christian Tradition. When he speaks for the whole Church (ex cathedra), the Holy Spirit does not permit him to err. He is, therefore, infallible on matters of morals and doctrine. Other bishops are his lieutenants. He is the symbol of the episcopate's unity.

According to RC ecclesiology, each local parish is part of the universal or whole Church. The totality of Catholic parishes form the Body of Christ on earth. This visible Body has a visible head, the Pope. This idea of the Church implies that the local parish has two heads: the Pope and the local bishop. But a body with two visible heads is a monster. Also, the local bishop seems stripped of his apostolic authority if the Pope may contradict his orders. Indeed, he cannot become a bishop unless the Pope allows it".

One other Christian example is The Orthodox Church , that teaches that "all bishops are equal. To be sure, there are different ranks of bishops (patriarch, archbishop, metropolitan, bishop); nevertheless, a bishop is a bishop. Such differences apply to the administration of a church or group of churches, not to the nature of the bishop. The president of a synod of bishops is called archbishop (Greek custom) or metropolitan (Russian custom)".

Orthodoxy teaches that every bishop, "the living icon of Christ," and his flock constitute the Church in a certain place; or, as St. Ignatius the God-bearer says, the Church of Christ is in the bishop, his priests and deacons, with the people, surrounding the Eucharist in the true faith. All bishops and their flocks so constituted, together composing the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church".

You state "Christ gave the keys of heaven to the apostles and their successors". Yes, but, millions of very religeous (few of them bastards) do not believe that this means the RC Pope alone takes on that role.

I don't quite know where you are going with the words " schismatic, heretical and bastardized" christianity. Sounds like a throw back to some of the early and sorry RC church times. If so, I suggest your beliefs are out-of-step with the course and teachings of the current RC church. ...but, if as I interpret, that is your decision and cross to bear.