Gnu - See your PM's.

Lizzie - I am refering to my post Date: 16 Feb 10 - 01:28 PM in which I explain in detail the circumstances I am talking about. I have neither the time nor inclination to post it again if you cannot be bothered to read it first time around.

Let me make my position crystal clear for any that do not understand.

1. Rape is wrong REGARDLESS of the circumstances.

2. Young people, any people, are free to wear whatever they want. They are free to behave stupidly without the threat of forced sex. Whether they should be censured in any other way is an entirely different argument and one I do not wish to enter into.

3. By saying that SOME rape victims should take blame we cast doubt into EVERY rape victims mind as to whether they should be blaming themselves. This is not only wrong but playing into the hand of the rapist. If just one victim is found to be partialy liable then EVERY case will be tried in that basis.

4. Women who make false rape allegations are wrong but I have faith that the legal system will protect the accused. One point I wholeheartedly agree with Lizzie on is that the accused should not be named until the accusation is proven. I do not know the legal situation on that - Richard, can you tell us?

5. Anyone who jumps onto a thread about rape to have arguments that have nothing to do with the crime and score personal points is wrong. I am not saying anyone on here has done so but some of the arguments have been proven to have nothing to do with the crime. See 2, above.

Now, following in MtheGMs footsteps, I have made my points. There is nothing further to add really. If anyone wants to continue to try and convince me otherwise I would suggest a PM as I think everything that needs to be said, any many things that need not, have already been aired in public.

Cheers

DeG