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Thread #127384   Message #2845473
Posted By: Lox
20-Feb-10 - 07:53 PM
Thread Name: BS: 'Some rape victims should take blame'- ??
Subject: RE: BS: 'Some rape victims should take blame'- ??
"But surely you also know that going to bed with a stranger..drunk, increases your chances of being raped, many times"

By this logic, being in bed with a stranger sober is less dangerous.

Or being in bed drunk with someone you know is less dangerous.

Or being out in public drunk - or sober - is less dangerous.


In fact, there is one and only one factor which puts you in danger of being raped ...

... it is whether you are with a rapist or not.


In which case the circumstances, including fashion sense, state of drunkenness and location are of minimal significance.


If someone, of their own free will, says they would like a shag, then the can be said to have consented.

If someone says no then they cannot be said to have consented.

If someone is drunk and sleepy, then a man with an eye for the bleeding obvious will have little trouble noticing that they aren't gagging for coitus.

If someone in thius state gives no consent, then there is no indication that there was any reason for sex to happen except as a result of the rapists opportunism.

There are no grey areas.



Where there were only two people present and we cannot be sure wht actually happened and what was actually consented to or not is a different matter.

That would be about finding out what actually happened.

If we found out that she said no or was too drunk and sleepy to either say yes or to stop him, then we know she was raped.

Again, none of this has any bearing on whether or not a rape victim is responsible for the crime committed against her.