""I've also said that he made a big mistake, but I also think it's one he'll learn from and that it will change his way of behaving, which can only be for the better.""

A "big mistake", Lizzie, is something that you do once (unless you are a complete idiot), realise you've dropped a ricket, and apologise.

You then make sure you never repeat it.

What we are discussing here is part of the act, deliberate and consistent. It isn't the first time a so-called entertainer has used foul and abusive material to put bums on seats at his gigs.

Remember Bernard Manning?

As to the usual subjects attacking poor defenceless Lizzie, I believe the target was John Mayer, being discussed quite seriously until, as happens on multiple threads, up jumps the West Country Defender with her tail on fire screaming about how badly treated he has been, by all and sundry, and of course claiming that he is a great musician (wrong) and entirely blameless (wrong again).

Lizzie makes such a habit of this kind of thing, that you would think she's earning her living at it, that is, if she were any good at it.

It is getting almost impossible to discuss anything without it being punctuated by these long whingeing screeds.

Don T.