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Thread #126347 Message #2845988
Posted By: Gibb Sahib
21-Feb-10 - 03:08 PM
Thread Name: From SF to Sydney - 1853 Shanties Sung?
Subject: RE: From SF to Sydney - 1853 Shanties Sung?
Thanks for the shout-out, John. Just to clarify: I don't consider those to be "all of the West Indian related shanties from Hugill." They are chanties "contributed by stated Caribbean informants." The list considers who supplied the info, not the actual origin of the chanties.
That list has 54 chanties; I think I may have added 2 or 3 since then. By contrast, my tally of possibly Caribbean-influenced chanteys in Hugill is 49 -- It is a different set, and I have not posted a list of that. Elsewhere in the thread, I had begun to make a cumulative, on-going list of chanties that I was judging to fit in the nebulous category that is the topic of the thread -- and which does not draw a distinction between Black American and Caribbean sources. (I've not gotten around to "finishing" that inquiry.) So, three *different* sets of data.
On a different note: Is "Heave Away" (Sandburg) a "chantey"? My sense is that it is included by Hugill as a comparative example alone (just as "Yellow Meal" is a ballad that is also being compared to "Heave Away My Johnnies"). When I get time later, I hope to say more about that. I've just learned "Heave Away", so it stirred up some thoughts :)