"I think what Lizzie is saying, is that by "getting where they are", women have perhaps lost more than they have gained?"

In recent discussions with friends some have suggested the very same thing. Especially when it comes to women's equality. It is an on-going process that will evolve I am sure and swing back toward the middle. To date all of them were men though. That is not to say no women would agree.

They need to keep what they have gained and build on getting back some of what they have lost maybe. I do not think it will go back to where women are being subservient to the men. Having independance does not make it compulsory to be foolish, I will go that far, but I still maintain that follishness should not be punished. We all know it often is but that will never make it right.

Bringing this thread full circle back to it roots though...

Even if all the women who now go out and get drunk and throw caution to the wind, as has been suggested, tidied up their act and stayed at home, there would be very little difference in the rape figures. Maybe the figures would go up.

Drunk, foolish, being silly... makes mo odds at all in the main as has been shown. Using it as a defence for the rapist should not be allowed

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