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Thread #127384   Message #2846293
Posted By: Bill D
21-Feb-10 - 08:58 PM
Thread Name: BS: 'Some rape victims should take blame'- ??
Subject: RE: BS: 'Some rape victims should take blame'- ??
"To say that ALL situations have shades of Grey is a black and white assertion."

And I said no such thing....

"An honest man knows when a woman wants to have sex and when she doesn't."

and that is just a slogan or a platitude. Many years ago, I knew a couple of women who dithered and fretted and didn't know themselves! I, personally, took it on myself to decide that if they were not sure, *I* would decide not to go any further. I would recommend that attitude, but I, personally, knew several guys who snickered and repeated the stupid old line about "she may say no, but they all want it, and just need a little push". I actually threw one idiot out of my house for acting like he 'owned' a woman who was visiting at my place. He propositioned almost every woman he knew...until he won, and then lost interest. I have no idea how some men's minds get like that, but I DO know that he was VERY convincing, even when a woman had doubts, and he was a master at getting around a 'no', and even convincing HER that she 'didn't really mean no'. I think is was just a complex game to him, and I wanted no more to do with him. (He told someone later he couldn't understand why I wouldn't 'make up' with him and forgive his conduct.)
   So, did she technically 'give consent'? Yeah...I guess so, but if there were ever examples of gray areas, this guy could create them.

Once again, Lox... reality can be very different than your simplified little template to rate all situations.