I think what Lizzie is saying, is that by "getting where they are", women have perhaps lost more than they have gained?

If so, I tend to agree with her.

So do I, Ake, in some ways, but I don't see what bearing it has on the point in question. Are we to believe that emancipation has led to a higher incidence of rape or has contributed to it somehow? I can sort of accept that but not in the way previously discussed. I can see that some men, very few I hope, would be threatened by the 'new woman' and use rape to regain some of the lost power. If that is the case then, yes, liberation of woman has contributed. It is still not the victims fault though and if that is a possibility, no matter how vague, then these few men who feel that way should be educated before they do go too far. Better than blaming the victim surely?

Cheers

DeG