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Thread #127384   Message #2848808
Posted By: Emma B
24-Feb-10 - 11:49 AM
Thread Name: BS: 'Some rape victims should take blame'- ??
Subject: RE: BS: 'Some rape victims should take blame'- ??
I really hate the expression 'gagging for it' - meaning some one (almost invariably 'that bird over there') is interpreted by someone else (rightly as wrongly) as asking for sex in ones perceived mannerisms - perhaps it can go away with the poodle too please?


With regard to alcohol, I'm happy to see that both men and women are seen as being 'at risk' as a result of over consumption

Alleged perpetrators sometimes claim that they were not responsible for their actions because they were intoxicated and had no control over their behaviour.
However, there is evidence that people are able to make reasoned judgments at higher levels of intoxication than generally believed.

"The pharmacological effects of alcohol on human beings make people feel different from when they haven't imbibed.
The meanings given to this experience, i.e., how one interprets these feelings and orders his experience, are provided by the culture in which one is a participant.
If the culture holds that imbibing alcohol produces warm feelings of community solidarity, harmony, and camaraderie, then violence and sexual advances will have no place (e.g., Brandes, 1979).

If, on the other hand, the cultural tradition suggests that the drinker will feel aggressive and sexually aroused and, furthermore, will NOT be held accountable if he acts upon these impulses, then aggression and overt sexual advances are likely to result from drinking (e.g., Hamer, 1980).
Thus, alcohol as a drug can be viewed as an enabler or a facilitator of certain culturally given inebriate states, but it cannot be seen as producing a specific response pattern among all human beings who ingest it." **


It's also good to observe Lizzie quote Det Ch Insp Steve Mogg, head of serious sexual and violent crime at Gwent Police that

"When alcohol is involved things can become blurred and confused but there are no grey areas in regards to sex without consent - as far as the police are concerned we treat that as rape."

People have more control over their drunken behaviour than is generally recognized in Western society.
For example, the Lepcha people of the Himalayas tend to become sexually promiscuous when intoxicated... that behaviour is acceptable when drunk.
But violation of the incest taboo (which extends very far and is highly complex) leads to punishment by certain death.
No matter how drunk they become and how promiscuous they behave, they never violate that complex taboo.
It's simple... they don't want to be executed and suffer a painful death so they control their behaviour no matter how drunk they become ***

Perhaps we can finally agree that dress should not be regarded as an open invitation to rape also?


**An Anthropological View of Ethanol as a Disinhibitor. In: Room, R., and Collins, G. (Eds.) Alcohol and Disinhibition: Nature and Meaning of the Link. Rockville, MD: National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, 1981. pp. 186-204. P. 200.
***MacAndrew, C., and Edgerton, R. Drunken Comportment: A Social Explanation. Chicago, Illinois: Aldine, 1969