You'll love this!

Don: "I will not waste my time re-reading GfS's screed just above because it is copy-and-paste from a previous post of his...."

GfS:And because you are a brain locked ideologue who might learn something from ANOTHER point of view..other than your quasi-pseudo 'concern' about your misinterpretation of 'civil rights'

Don: "This whole discussion here on Mudcat started on another thread having to do with California rescinding the same-sex marriage law, despite the fact that such laws are being passed in one state after another and will continue to be passed at an accelerating rate. The proposition in California was not put forth by Californians, but by out-of-state fundamentalist religious groups, who consider homosexuality to be a sin."

GfS: "Wishful thinking..regardless of the FACTS! The people of California voted it down because they don't agree with it..PERIOD!"

Don: "This is a direct violation of the doctrine of separation of church and state as set forth in both the United States Constitution and the Constitution of the State of California. Whether it was voted in by a narrow majority of California voters or not is irrelevant. It is still un-Constitutional."

Constitutional??? Since when did you give a flying fuck about the Constitution???!!!?? You must be not watching the news about what this (along with others) administration is doing to our Constitutional precess. The only thing you know about the Constitution is 'freedom of speech'..because it allows you to run your mouth, about things you know NOTHING about!"


Don; "Nevertheless, this thread brought several people out of the woodwork to express a spectrum of anti-homosexual sentiments, not based on any legal or constitutional positions, but upon their own prejudices. When challenged, they tried to support their positions by citing various studies of dubious scientific validity and by inundating the thread with carefully selected and edited statistics."

GfS: "ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT!! Every one of YOUR plastic fantasy land, 'arguments' have been blown away...and you just can't get over it...like some child, whose mother took his thumb out of his mouth.
Anti-homosexual???? YOUR the one who is denying them of their rights(if you had your way), of getting counseling SHOULD THEY WANT IT, because you want to 'define' them into a category, that denies the reality of their situation!...and you THINK you're a 'champion' of civil rights????? Your a deluded village idiot!

The thesis of one of the more prominent opponents of same-sex relationships, tried to claim that homosexuals, homosexual men in particular, are not just plague carriers, but plague creators, invoking the medieval notion that HIV/AIDs is created by male homosexual activity, not just that the virus can be transmitted that way, if and only if one of the two is already infected. This "spontaneous generation" idea was debunked by many of the more enlightened scientists early on, and definitely put to rest by Louis Pasteur in the mid-1800s. Nevertheless, this person continued (and continues) to assert the same medieval nonsense.

GfS :"Medieval??"...rolls eyes. Methinks he's really grasping at straws!

Don: "The other more prominent opponent of same-sex relationships involved the claim that same-sex orientation comes as a result of early psychological problems and, in the end, is simply a matter of the individual's choice. And that same-sex orientation can be cured through counseling, when, in fact, if such deeply rooted psychological problems were the source of same-sex orientation, they would require, at the very least, extensive psychotherapy, not just "counseling."

GfS: "Only a downright idiot would interpret what I've been saying, and the truth about what I've said, as how you convoluted that priceless gem of biased crap!...YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T GET IT! I Think you've blinded yourself, by poking yourself in your 'I'..and what you heard some political activist told you, that SOUNDED sophisticated and 'hip'"

Don "This person cites the work of people such as Richard Cohen, a self-proclaimed "ex-gay" who "counsels" his clients by lying on a sofa with them, caressing them, and assuring them that they are loved. A book that Cohen wrote to this effect has been used by an American fundamentalist religious group to support the Ugandan anti-homosexual laws, going to far as capital punishment for homosexuals."

GfS: " Again, nonsense! I only posted about Dr. Cohen, as an example of an ex-'gay', going straight. In those post(s), I also said I didn't agree with his methods...but do you think our wise bullshitter, comprehended what he was reading???? N-O-O-O-O-O!...He just blabs on, like like a precocious little 'mommies little helper'..ignoring any thought from anyone else. Methinks he just skims the posts from those, who he disagrees with..just looking for a line, or phrase, which he can expound his moronic blather...and ignores the rest. How else could one explain such scrambled lameness?? How else can he rationalize away, that it is he, who is discriminating against homosexuals..by his sheer naivete??..then starts accusing others who happen to know more on the subject than he does??..WHAT An ASS!!"

Don; "This person, when confronted by the studies refuting the so-called "cures" claimed in a study by Robert Spitzer, merely ignored the data presented, reiterated their claim that same-sex orientation is merely a matter of personal choice, and became personally abusive toward me."

GfS: "The key word here that Don the moRON, uses is 'merely'. I have never alluded to that...so he must be talking about someone else....like one of the voices in his head!

Don: "He becomes especially abusive when I, or anyone else, quote or post links to sites that indicate that same-sex orientation is not a matter of choice,...

GfS:...Even if those same links conclude that all the other possibilites explored have been ruled out.."

Don: "...but there are strong INDICATIONS that it has a genetic component. Same-sex orientation TENDS to run in families, appearing even when the relatives have no contact with each other, and there is SOME INDICATION that the gene or combination of genes is carried by the females of a particular line and results in the mis-timing of the release of specific hormones in utero to a developing male fetus."

GfS: "(The caps I inserted, from his original text).....So, you think its an established FACT, yet??....or tends to be an indication????

Don: "Granted, the specific gene of combination of genes have not been isolated yet,..."

GfS: " .....NO SHIT, SHERLOCK!!!"

Don: ".....but research continues, and geneticists are confident that it is only a matter of time."

GfS: "..as long as there is grant money for a wild goose chase, they'll ride as long as they can. Maybe they can find another 'indication'......extend the grant and it might make it up to a 'tends'. Meanwhile, they'll issue a report, and let the moron activists make meringue out of diarrhea.
Even the post, YOU posted, by a homosexual researcher, couldn't find support for any of the popular 'theories'!...That don't matter....just keep headin' on!

Don: "Rather that being willing to admit that the possibility (probability according to geneticists involved in the research, since all other factors are present), this person categorically denies that such a gene exists or will ever be found."

GfS: "The 'researchers'(?) should try, as I posted, looking at the development of receptors, during pregnancy, and factors that could influence their development.......oh oh...Don can't wrap his brain around that concept...I must be a bigot, then...(at least he can spell that word)!

Don: "Both of these people attribute those who are not strenuously opposed to legally recognized civil partnerships or gay marriage..."

GfS: "False again. Civil partnerships is one thing marriage is another. So he combines them, for the spin..blah blah blah"

Don; "...as slaves of the "liberal agenda." And are, indeed, "liberal fascists!" Thereby demonstrating that they have no idea of what "liberal" or "fascist" really means."

GfS; "The rest of that sentence is so stupid, why comment on it..it's self explanatory, that you haven't got a clue!"

Don: "This is a civil rights issue, pure and simple. No matter who complicated the opponents try to make it sound."

GfS: "Yeah, not a medical, psychological, emotional, spiritual issue...just a civil rights issue...because you're a one trick pony..and have a one track mind. Therein lies your narrow mindedness!..but you can't see that, either!

Don: "Recently, one of these people in particular, one who has been especially free with the childish personal insults (such mature epithets as calling me an "asshole") has chosen to attack me with accusations of lying about him—when I quoted something that was posted under his own "handle"—which he now denies having posted, going so far as to claim that it was me who authored it and posted it under his name. But Joe Offer has confirmed that it came from his computer, not mine. (Now, how could I have managed that, I wonder? Bloody clever of me!!)."

GfS: hey, I call them as I see them! Now you want to make an issue, not addressing the topic, but of a post that I did not post..and Joe said he wasn't all the way sure.....but you'll run with it....just like your 'tends' and 'indications' and 'some'....and anyone could have put my 'handle' in....blah blah blah."

Don: "I suggest that anyone interested (and who has their gag reflex well under control) merely read some of the posts for themselves and make up their own minds as to who it is who is actually posting the "outrageous lies and disinformation" and doing the "name calling."

GfS: "Yeah, and you'll see the difference between wit, satire, and political insanity, taken to the absurd!"



Don: "Crystal clear."

GfS: "Yup!"

Don: "By the way, I have not followed the wrangle between Keith and Royston because after being inundated with carefully selected and skewed statistics by Ake, and trying to follow them, I simply don't have the stomach to go through the same song and dance routine yet again!"

GfS: "...and because he's obsessed with locking horns with anyone who isn't impressed with his self image, and other accompanying bullshit!'

Don Firth
GfS