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Thread #126347   Message #2850879
Posted By: John Minear
26-Feb-10 - 12:05 PM
Thread Name: From SF to Sydney - 1853 Shanties Sung?
Subject: RE: From SF to Sydney - 1853 Shanties Sung?
I want to shift my attention to what Gibb has called "chanteys, proper", the "halyard" chanteys. Gibb has argued that these chanteys are a product of African-American culture, and that they originated as or were based on "work songs" from within that culture.

The importance of this for my purposes is that this may give us some kind of time marker. I want to explore this possibility in relationship to my my project of trying to imagine what chanteys may have been used on the "Julia Ann" between 1853 and 1855. Were any of these halyard chanteys well enough established and known to have made it out to San Francisco by 1853, or further out to Sydney by then?   I think that the chances are pretty good that some of them were there.

Starting (over) with and limiting myself to these halyard chanteys and hauling songs (for now), I would like to explore the possibility of developing some sets of criteria and arguments that might be used to suggest some likely candidates for the "Julia Ann".

My knowledge of things nautical is very limited. I have read the different descriptions of these nautical work songs and have only a beginner's grasp of their functions and differences. I am going to put up my list of "Hauling & Halyard Chanteys", realizing that a "halyard" chantey is a sub-category of a "hauling" chantey (at least according to Hugill, p. 26/'61). Hugill refers to a number of chanteys in his book at simply "hauling" songs. I including these "hauling songs" with the assumption that they fall into the same general category of being products of African American culture as the halyards.   This is why I am calling this list "Hauling & Halyard Chanteys".

I welcome any and all corrections to my list and to my understanding of these categories.