The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #127587   Message #2852076
Posted By: Jack Blandiver
28-Feb-10 - 04:08 AM
Thread Name: Is traditional song finished?
Subject: RE: Is traditional song finished?
You went on to say (and I reproduce again directly from your posting) "and if there was, they certainly didn't make these songs, much less sing the bloody things"

Meaning of course that ordinary people don't make extraordinary songs. As I say - as a working-class person I don't believe the working-class to be in any way ordinary.

You now compound this by claiming that "much has been put into the mouths of the miners by the agenda-obsessed fakelorists of The Revival", also directly reproduced from your posting
PROVE IT.


I was thinking of specifically The Blackleg Miner which has been discussed HERE as being a Bert Song based on an American prototype. In the Farne Archive it sources the song to a man in Bishop Auckland, County Durham, in 1949 which is, as has been shown, a palpable fallacy. How many others there are I shudder to think. Having grown up in that region (Seghill / Delaval) I can honestly say the only people singing these songs in the 60s and 70s were the middle-class folkies, and this despite the ongoing pride, musicality & militancy of the culture and its language, dialect and traditions. In the 80s /90s I lived in many ex & soon-to-be ex mining communities in County Durham and have spoken with many proud & elderly miners and naturally I have asked them about Folk Songs only to be met with blank looks. One I spoke to, aged 90 around 1992, openly shared his songs with me & talked of the traditions of his youth including the making of one-string fiddles which they played in three-part harmony to play carols at Christmas. A respected singer throughout the South Durham villages, he couldn't tell me anything about so-called Folk Songs - and he wasn't alone in that. I'm not offering this as proof as such, just an indication that your vision of a hearty folk-song singing proletariat might just be a complete fantasy propagated somewhat ingenuously at the expense of the true culture of the working-class.

You are a pratt - and a supercilious one

Pitiful, old man - absolutely pitiful.