If you are talking about 'rape' here, Don, relating to the other thread, then of course, if that ever happened to either of my children, I'd be outraged. HOWEVER, if, through wrong decisions they had made, utterly stupid and unbelievable behaviour they had shown, then I would hope they would be able to learn from those mistakes, and be sure to never again put themselves into a similar position.

My kids have guts, and they are able to look at themselves 'from the outside, in'. It's something I taught them when they were very young, to first of all have respect for yourself, to be able to view yourself from the point of view of others, and to never put yourself into a dangerous situation, unless there is absolutely no choice, in which case, do the best you are able.

I was taught to never take a short cut through a dark place at night, or even during the day, if I was on my own. I was taught to always stay close to houses, to take the routes where the houses were, in case I needed to get help, if I was out on my own.

I am not talking about situations where, through absolutely NO fault of their own, awful things happen to people, male or female. I am talking about choosing to take the decisions that keep you safest, and if you do make a mistake, or behave stupidly, then have the guts to admit it, kick yourself for it, just the once, and accept the help from everyone around to move on from it, whilst learning from it at the same time.

With all due respect, Don, this is NOT a thread about rape, but about personal responsibility, and whether we should be teching our children about how important it is....or not...depeneding on your outlook on life.