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Thread #127587   Message #2854829
Posted By: Don(Wyziwyg)T
03-Mar-10 - 07:13 AM
Thread Name: Is traditional song finished?
Subject: RE: Is traditional song finished?
""Don - nobody s trying to control anything; on the other hand you appear to be trying to be agressively offensive - and making a pretty good job of it - please don't.
Jim Carroll
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from an earlier post by Jim Carroll:-   ""If I go to a folk club it has to correspond with what I know folk song sounds like. I have no objection to songs that are written in folk song styles - these are an essential part of how I see the folk revival - I've sung them myself and have always admired song makers who write them:""

Taken in conjunction with your other comment, ""If they asked me where tthey could stll hear it live, what should I say; "Don't go to a folk club; they don't do folk any more"?""

No attempt to control there then!
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Aggressively Offensive?


""The third one might just still be going - we've got the details somewhere if you want to try for a booking, it gave the impression of being the sort of place that would put up with any old crap."" Jim Carroll to me.

""What utter crap; you really do go from idiocy to idiocy SO'P.
So far you have given nothing but bullshit and doublespeak verbiage.
All you've shown over and over again is your ignorance and indifference. You are a pratt - and a supercilious one - old man.
"" Jim Carroll to S O'P

""In the mid seventies things started to change and by the eighties it became virtually impossible to be guaranteed a night of folk or folk related songs, the clubs had become a platform for navel-gazing introspective mumbling their way through stuff that was neither fish nor fowl;""

""The scene hadn't yet become the refuge for failed, fifteenth-rate pop performers and would be Sinatra wannabes, that it has since become, but that didn't take too long to happen."" Jim Carrolls' take on those of us who work for nothing to perpetuate his, as well as our favourite music, namely folk music.

And you say I'm good at being aggressively offensive?

You don't seem to be able to get your head round the fact that what we are doing is giving present day audiences enough of what they want to get their bums on seats, and then including as much of what we, and you, want as they will accept, and pay to hear.

The amount of traditional music, in the clubs and sessions I currently attend, is steadily increasing, and the number of young attenders is rising fast, and they are taking to traditional music like ducks to water.

Clubs have been going through a thin time, and it was largely because of the inability of 70s organisers to bend a little with the prevailing winds.

Some of us did, and we're still here, and so is the music.

Good thing we all didn't swan off to Ireland, or you would have nobody to despise and insult, and you might be forced to examine the possibility that you might bear some responsibility for the slump in audiences in the first place.

Now I'll let you get back to your pontificating and patronising about your superior knowledge of folk clubs in a country you don't even live in.

Don T.