For the purposes of this discussion I think we can be clear on what is a Traditional Song (see Jim's posts) in terms of both its nomenclature & derivation, though I still argue for the tradition of the creative mastery that not only made the songs (and their variants) but defined the idiom in which such processes once occurred.

Half the problem here (on Mudcat / Folk scene as a whole) is that by reducing Traditional Song to AOMOR the Folk Scene hasn't done it any favours, hence the various confusions currently going down here - most of them perpetuated by Folk Enthusiasts who feel that Traditional Song is somehow theirs by default.