Well honestly, Keith. If you'd said at the start that your post was based on guess-work extrapolation aimed at supporting your slanted view of things then I would never have bothered responding.

My 1.6% estimate is a valid proposal supported by HPA facts and a NATSAL survey.

We both agree on the 5.6% HPA figure from HPA for a segment of the population, so what was your point?

And you were lying when you repeated twice the lie that I was not using official figures in my assertions.

So can we take it then that you withdraw your rumination...

"It is probably, but not certainly, true that a minority of MSMs are infected"

...on the grounds that it is patently absurd, we all know it to be undeniably true - thankfully - that a small minority of people of any grouping will have to bear the pain of living with HIV.

I'm so glad we are having these chats. Your days of perceived unbiased contributions are well and truly at an end here.