On the 1.6%

The HPA says that there are about 32,000 MSM's living with HIV

The NATSAL indicates that there are AT LEAST 1,984,500 MSM's

So the proportion of MSM's is probably about 1.6%

I have stated several times where the defect lies - we need to find a way of removing kids from the population figures. 1.6% remains a good indication.

It is necessary to quote that alongside the HPA 5.6% figure for a slice of 15-44 year olds.

I have always quoted both figures together. Neither of them are lies.

Until we have some figures with better banding for age groups, your points are totally unsupported by anything. We have no idea whether the number/age line is linear. We have no idea how well the ages are distributed in the group. There are no reliable conclusions that can be drawn. We have no idea whether most of the HIV+ in that group are in their 20's, 30's or 40's

You are making leaps in the dark in order to support your prejudices.

If you claim that your observations are fact or even supported opinions, then you are a liar.

You have totally failed to understand the HPA statistics.

When they say "Deaths within the first year of diagnosis" they are referring to people that first presented themselves in 2007 with full blown symptomatic AIDS. Those people have generally been HIV+ for a very long time but undiagnosed and therefore untreated. So by the time they dragged themselves to a doctor, it was too late. Tragic. Totally tragic.

There will be statistically anomalous cases - as in flu or other diseases - of people that get infected in May and are dead by December, but they are the statistical 'blips' the extreme exceptions.

The Median age of death at 47 is the median age TO DATE. It is slewed by the early-years, pre-treatment tidal wave of funerals.

Going forward, HIV+ people have normal life expectancy. As they die at ripe old age, so that median age figure will rise daramtically, but it will not rise for a long time, because the positive and healthy people are not going to die for a long time.

So, Keith. You need to correct your assumptions and insinuations from these figures, which you have failed to understand.

I am not calling to call you a liar. Just ignorant. Are you ready to learn yet?