And for the last time, the NATSAL survey does INDICATE how many MSM's there are.

6.3% of men at least admit to having had genital sex with another man.

63mm people or thereabouts in the population

Half of them are men - 31.5mm

6.3 of 31.5mm is 1,984,500 MSM's

It's not perfect, it is an indication.

The HPA figures are for one slice of men aged 15-44. They are totally different. It is a truth, but it is a partial truth.

I would never (and did not) put the NATSAL derived figure forward on its own - but it is a fair observation.

You, on the other hand, only want to count those MSM's at peak risk - discounting everyone else, and you want to add in the dead to boost your prejudiced view of this awful problem and your odious opinion which amounts to an assertion that gay men make up a tiny group of deviants who are all either dead or dying and deserved it. You toxic little man.