"but do we congratulate them. No, it seems there is nothing but wingeing about them."

No offense Tootler, but as this is an internet forum for the discussion of folk music, this thread represents a perfectly valid topic for discussion. And different people have expressed different opinions, as is hopefully to be desired in any such discussion. There are contributions from those have made exactly the same points that you made in your last post, and they have argued them well and in detail. Lots of well reasoned posts here, offering a variety of opinions on the subject. Take another look.