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Thread #128242   Message #2884492
Posted By: *#1 PEASANT*
11-Apr-10 - 08:16 PM
Thread Name: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right?
Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right?
Sounds like you have a club
They have a club

If they want to change how music is done they have a point of view.

You have to acknowledge that they have the right to a position different from your own and everyone should be heard out.

If you think your position has merit well then defend it and it will prevail.

You dont make it easier by simply telling the other side to either go away or shut up.

This will not decide the argument the general consensus of the population will do that and if the population sees you as wishing to exclude other side from the debate it will be more difficult for you as you will then be exhibiting the characteristics of your opponent.

Examine also the point being made.

There are always ways to improve on the status quo and perhaps some changes can be managed that would be fair and helpful however, simply stating that your position is the only rational one and is inherently perfect will not help anything.

The art of compromise is important but the art of free dialog is necessary first and if you simply won't talk the general population may just go with the other side.

This thread concerns the domination by the media and performance by one dimension of the political argument. When you exclude an opponent or point of view as unworthy you are doing just the sort of co-opting of the received view that is being argued against here.

If you demonize your opponent the outcomes are limited- one side will be tossed out of the ring by the people. With more discussion more outcomes would be possible perhaps an adjustment that will accommodate both sides.

As with people the evolution of musical traditions is far from perfect or efficient. Course corrections are always possible that can improve things in the future. No one course is necessarily correct or perfect. There is no organic evolution according to some form of natural law. It is all done by people pushing here and pulling there.

It does not have to be one way or the other. If a group concludes that it has gone a bit too far in one direction or another they have a right to put that to the people.

Heritage is as important as innovation. Heritage once was innovation. It is a treasure and imho we should do what we can to carry as much of it through time as is practical. Perhaps simply adjusting emphasis is needed- sort of an affirmative action program for heritage music if the case can be made that it is being abused by lack of venues and training or airplay. But if you simply tell the other side that they are out of order none of whatever possible accommodation and adjustment will occur. Just a few ideas this is not the thread for that discussion except that adjustment should be tried diversity of opinion should be encouraged and not attacked.

Conrad