I'm puzzled by that Tootler - first I don't remember saying it and second it is not what I usually do, I'm quite a one for everyone joining in. Indeed I sometimes push my F# songs up to G to facilitate, and usually then bugger up my voice and/or my own guitar part. Can you direct me to where I said it?

There are SOME people I would deliberately try to sabotage and one in particular who can be relied upon to play out of time and out of key pretty much every time - and complain of cyberbullying if I give a large hint.