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Thread #128156   Message #2890667
Posted By: Jim Carroll
20-Apr-10 - 12:02 PM
Thread Name: BS: Clerical child abuse Part 94....
Subject: RE: BS: Clerical child abuse Part 94....
"Jim maintains that all male heteros are "potential rapists"
No I don't , and it really doesn't help your case to distort what I do say in this way.
I said that if your point is, as it has appeared to have been over at least three threads, that all homosexuals are potential paedophiles, then the logical conclusion must be that all hetrosexual men are potential rapists. I believe both claims to be nonsense, but that is how your argument comes across to me, and obviously to others, and has done on all the threads I have been involved in with you on this subject. Your dislike of homosexuality is obvious and it has turned several threads on clerical abuse into attacks on homosexuals, which has to be wrong.
The evidence on the clerical abuse we are discussing, the study by the Irish psychiatrists, the figures on homosexuality, even the definition of the term paedophile, all point to paedophila being an abuse of children regardless of their gender. We are in the middle of an abuse trial here in Ireland where a father raped his children - his son and his daughter - that is paedophilia, nothing to do with homosexuality.
The above article (which you apparently dismiss on the basis of one of the twelve psychiatrists having declared himself gay) points to there being no evidence of your claims; even the church, on whose behalf the claims were made a week ago, have disassociated themselves from it.It is obvious that the abuses in the church were acts of paedophilia, and were carried out irrespective of the gender of the victims.
If there is any imbalance between male and female victims in the church, I have no doubt that this is down to the access that the perpetrators had to their victims - industrial schools like Letterfrack full of young boys under the care of priests - paedophilia is an opportunist crime.
It is significant that the figures to date do not include the young women abused in the Magdalene Laundries; nor to we have the information on what happened outside the time limit or in the diocese not covered by the two reports.
The only thing we know is that there has been a great deal of abuse committed over a long period of time by priest, agaist children in their care. I believe it is totally irresponsible to draw definitive conclusions on this.
Jim Carroll