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Thread #126347   Message #2892499
Posted By: John Minear
22-Apr-10 - 11:06 PM
Thread Name: From SF to Sydney - 1853 Shanties Sung?
Subject: RE: From SF to Sydney - 1853 Shanties Sung?
Gibb, I appreciate your thoughts on "Sacramento". This is sort of how I have pieced it together although I missed the connection with "Sailor Fireman".

In my list above, which I copied over from an offline source, I spot one formatting error. Third from the bottom, "Haul way, yeo ho, boys!" should not be connected to "Pull away now, my Nancy O!", but be on the following line.

Charlie, I am finding "titles" to be a bit tricky. Many of the contemporary titles of chanties we take for granted today simply weren't there in the sources we've been looking at, or they were different. I don't know of any standardized, authoritative, and commonly accepted list of titles at this point. I tried to list the titles given in the sources, and when there was no title then I went with an age-old practice of listing the first line. In a number of cases, the sources only mention a first line. In one or two instances I have added a contemporary title following that which is given in the source like with "Mobile Bay" / "Johnny come tell us as we haul away". I admit and have admitted to arbitrarily calling the "seeman do" song "Yankee Dollar". I don't remember that the source has a title. I don't see that my approach is all that different from what Gibb has done, but we do take different tacks on this. I apologize for not putting them in alphabetical order. I was listing them as I found them historically and in the thread discussion. If you want them done chronologically and alphabetically, please check these links:

thread.cfm?threadid=128220&messages=222#2892320

thread.cfm?threadid=128220&messages=222#2892385

Captain Millett's "Bound to California", given by C.F. Smith does refer to going to California "to reap the shining gold!" But, a number of other songs also refer to California and the Gold Rush days. Some of them are later and so far I've not been able to date any of them to the late 1840's or 1850's. Unless we can date Captain Millett at Algoa Bay, I am in the same dilemma with this song. I simply don't have a time frame of reference for it external to the song itself. And Smith is right when she says that it doesn't show up in any other collection. Do we have any additional information on Captain J.L. Vivian Millet?

Lighter, did we cross a wire somewhere? The reason I ask is that I was looking for Dozer's version of "Shallow Brown", and I was wondering if you confused that with "Santiana". In any case, can you post Dozer's "Shallow Brown" here? I'd appreciate it.