"2. He most certainly would have heard the sound of gun fire 30mm cannon are rather loud."

These ones were 5 km away - remember?

"swallowed the lie that US troops had deliberately murdered civilians on that afternoon in Baghdad on the 12th July 2007."

i think if you read back you will find that I have been somewhat more balanced than that.

"you know for certain that everything that you contend happened was fact do you?"

Which of my statements is incorrect?

1. that the people in the van were in their own locality?

2. that there was a man with horrific injuries lying on the ground?


Tell me teribus - do you think it is a wild suggestion that he was either screaming in pain or begging for help?


On the other hand, you assert that it was there to collect weapons.

There is NO evidence of this happening.

In fact, the driver is in a marked hurry to go once the unarmed wounded man is loaded in by the vans unarmed occupants.

Sorry - not a legitimate target.