"On contact no-one is permitted to remove anything or anybody from the scene of that incident, it was the task of those Helo crews to ensure that nothing was removed until such time as US ground forces and the Iraqi Police arrived on the scene."

1. Who's "rules"?

2. Were the "rules" distributed to all Iraqi civilians before the war started? Perhaps that was a condition of being involved the war was that everyone read and thoroughly understand the rules first ...

... Only that these people, didn't volunteer to be part of the war - they were just living in their home town when they discovered death and violence all around them.

So why should they be subject to penalties in a game of RISK that they never willingly joined.

You keep talking about them as if they should have been expected to have a full knowledge and understanding of military technology, military rules of engagement and warzone etiquette.

Tell me Teribus, is it their fault that they were not properly informed about these things?

Do you think that these things would have featured in their list of priorities?

What about food, money, work, water, and if possible education and some kind of normality for their kids?

Should they have taken the time to go to war preparation seminars covering issues like "how to behave in a warzone and how to recognize the sound of militarey hardware from 5 km away" before the war started so that they could be properly prepared?

Is it their fault that they did not do this?

Is it reasonable or realistic to expect children to spend years in a basement in their home town and never to leave?


If you are so well informed, and your experience gives so much more credibility to your view than my experience gives mine, then respond to my points.

So far, my view is a lot better argued and supported than yours, and your synopsis of the vans movement and purpose has been well and truly shot to bits.



"Now to retrace slightly, would I as the father of two small children driving around with them in my van, blithely drive them into harms way, in a city plagued with sectarian violence and terrorist attacks, then no sorry I most certainly would not."

This is nothing but repetition of your unsupported synopsis on the subject of what the driver was or wasn't up to.

Your last post basically sums up to "I repeat my earlier baseless and impossible assertions and then I'm going to run and hide behind my medals"

Come on ...