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Thread #87391   Message #2904471
Posted By: TheSnail
11-May-10 - 10:51 AM
Thread Name: BS: Where's the Global Warming
Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
Sawzaw

You are cherrypicking your data to prove what you want to prove.

Well, it may look like that, possibly because I'm posting isolated snippets of information in response to your isolated snippets of information. You have seleted a chart that you believe demonstrates something or other; I have selected another, frequently from the same source, that demonstrates the opposite. The point is that a more in depth analysis is needed. I'm not actually trying to prove anything. I'd just like a deeper understanding of this fascinating subject.



No problem at all. Actually, you posted a fact about the Antarctic sea ice but don't worry, it's a common mistake to make. In response, I posted a fact about the Arctic sea ice from the same source. Both of them showed significant climate change although that in the southern hemisphere was a little counter intuitive and deserved closer examination. Since I thought you were genuinely interested, I posted some useful links. Here are a couple more -

NASA - Is Antarctica Melting?
Is Antarctica losing or gaining ice?

You seem to read something in my posts that is not there and make up my reasons for them.

I certainly do not. I have merely enquired what your reasons were.

I don't believe I have to convince anybody of anything.

Just as well really but you seem to be putting an awful lot of effort into it.

The world does not have to follow what I believe.

I don't think it intends to.

So with the full expectation that you will make spurious claims about why I posted the following, find something that contradicts it and demand that I respond, I submit this for thought:

SOME PRETTY COMPELLING EVIDENCE ON WHAT IS DRIVING CO2


Perhaps if you'd introduced that subject with something a little more informative than "This chart should unleash a flurry if hostile uncivil remarks from the Illuminati." it would have helped. I responded at the time with this reference - Is Pacific Decadal Oscillation the Smoking Gun which you ignored.

In your link, Joe Bastardi says "the co2 increases were higher when the PDO went warm". Read that carefully. The INCREASES were HIGHER with the implication that when the PDO went cold the increases were lower. Now look at Figure 3 in my reference which illustrates the point.

Of course El Nino and the PDO affect the climate within their oscillation period; about five years for El Nino and twenty to thirty years for the PDO but that is not the same as the long term trend.