Some singer songweriters produce and perform music that like a key will open the folk lock and they will get in. Woody is one of these, sound, phrasing, expression, arrangement.

Other singer songwriters just as legitimate as performers and as writers perform and write music that as a key does not open the folk lock and they will not get in. They dont sound enough like traditional folk.

This is not to say that they aren't good, valid, real or worthy of tolleration. It is only to point out that the non traditional singer songwriters are doing something different, amazing, enough so that they need their own places or maybe a new term for themselves.

Actually the reason for this is so that they can be found more easily in the recording bins and at the festivals which I hope would be more their own festivals rather than parts of traditional folk festivals.

Conrad