Brendy, I was only giving my take on a saying that seemed to annoy you. Don't forget you can send messages privately if you don't want them exposed to comment in the thread.

Catspaw, no I'm not devoid of hatred alas, which is probably a lot to do with why I don't get the most out of life. But if I gave vent to it all here, it would take the tone of this forum lower than anything we've seen yet. My concern before your last post was that visitors to Mudcat will see in your earlier postings (including ones where you were apologising) unpleasantness that brings discredit on the forum. But that last post was a big-hearted apology all right, being free of any equivocating. That's hard to do - too hard for me most of the time, however wrong I've been.

Well yes, OK Jon, it doesn't look good! To say the least, a breathtakingly one-sided view of the ethnic cleansing that has been going on certainly since 1969. But for better or worse, that's the way they see it and I thought that reading the anecdotal stuff was a good reminder that some of those prods are ordinary decent families born into a nightmare in which only those with exceptional strength of character can see the other side of the coin. If nothing else, I've learnt that Derry City football club once had fans in the Waterside. Anyone know what the club song was (or is, now they're back in business)?