No, it seems to me we are on two different topics. I am attacking the limitations of the current image of the self. You are saying we should accept ourselves as the sane starting point for moving forward. I suggest we are discussing two different selves (the false and the true). My point is that working with our current selves may be limiting. How do I know what Tahiti is like if all I know is Kansas? (That is what I am asking). You are saying that unless we know our starting point in Kansas we may never know anything, including Tahiti when we get there. Both fair points. yours, Peter T.