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Thread #129840   Message #2924886
Posted By: CarolC
10-Jun-10 - 03:58 PM
Thread Name: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
Carol, I understand that you disbelieve the Israelis, but why do you accept everything from the other side without question?

I disbelieve everything that is said by the Israelis because they are always proven to be lying and because they refuse to release the rest of the video evidence. And I believe the people on the flotilla because I am a part of their movement and I know what they are about.


The new video. It shows no firing of anything from the boats.
No sign of anything coming at the ship, and passengers do not appear concerned. We see no injured people at all.


You can hear the sounds of things hitting the ship. You can also see one exploded paint pellet on a wall on the ship. You can hear many sounds of explosions and things hitting the ship that are coming from the helicopters. You can see many injured passengers. You don't see them before the Israelis landed because the person with the camera was not in the area that was being fired upon. At least not in the part that we saw. We don't know what is on the rest of the video.


We do see the ladder with red liquid running down the bulkhead, and the sound of probable shots. Can we be sure it is in time sequence?
You would challenge that from the other side.


I have no doubt that experts could make this determination. I would encourage the people involved to have the video examined by experts.


There is no sign of shooting from the helicopter.

You can hear the sound of shooting from the helicopter.


The commentary in your first video spoke of nothing but cannisters. No explosions or incoming fire mentioned. Why not?

Keith, as you can see, the correspondents are not on the part of teh ship where the shooting is taking place. They are not able to take the live feed there for several reasons, one being that the equipment is set up there were they are. And events are happening too fast for them to be able to keep up.


My boat video must be pre landing because the boat is not visible in the landing sequence, and would be.
The firecrackers/stun grenades explode in the boat. There is no evidence that they came from the boat, and it makes no sense. Likewise the plates.


Keith, your video shows only a very small portion of the water next to the ship. To think that you know what is outside the field of vision of the camera is pretty ridiculous. The passengers said that they were throwing back into the boats things that had been fired into the ship.

I am calling for all video evidence to be released by the government of Israel. You can not say that we don't know it exists, because the existence of smuggled footage proves that the journalists are telling the truth when they say they were filming and photographing what was happening, and that it was confiscated. That, and the Israeli government has been selectively releasing some of the footage itself, so it can't deny it exists.

I call for all of the video evidence to be released and to be examined by experts. On the other hand, you have already decided that the government of Israel is telling the truth even though they have already been caught in numerous lies and have been forced to retract many of the things they've said about the flotilla members and about what happened that night. You are willing to accept, without question, the word of proven liars. I am demanding that all of the evidence be released and examined by experts.

Between the two of us, I am the only one who is interested in the truth.


Re. Indian Ocean pirates, they could fly all the flags in the world and they would still be boarded without asking their permission.

This is speculation, and not fact. Please cite to me the law that would permit such boardings, and what criteria govern what ships that sail under the flag of a country may be forcibly boarded and for what reason.