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Thread #129840   Message #2925238
Posted By: CarolC
11-Jun-10 - 02:48 AM
Thread Name: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
Carol, I did not tell you to believe one side and not the other.
That is what you do now.


You told me I was being closed minded for not believing your version.

I advise you to believe nothing that is not supported, or is contradicted, by video evidence.

Actually, you have repeatedly done just that.

All my arguments are from the video evidence.

Except that they're not. A lot of your arguments you have even admitted are your belief and your opinion based on nothing other than what you think about things. Like for instance, whether or not pirate ships that fly under the flag of a country would be boarded in international waters.

That is why I have no more arguments.

You never really had any to begin with. Just a lot of wild speculation based on the lies that have been promoted by the government of Israel.

You, believed the ridiculous story about them being thrown or fired up from boats and then thrown back.

You have no evidence that this did not happen. You only have your opinion that it did not.

The cargo was delivered to Gaza but last I heard Hamas refused it.

I have been told by someone in Gaza, who made a special trip to the local Hamas office to ask them about it just for me, that Hamas are concerned that if they accept that aid from the government of Israel, people will accuse them of stealing some of it. They have good reason to be concerned about this, since both Israel and the US have used this tactic against them in the past. If Israel is sincere about ensuring that the people of Gaza get the aid that they stole from the flotilla, they can very easily hand it over to one or more of the many NGOs that operate in Gaza.

There is an arbitrary sounding list of prohibited items.
Israel regards itself as being at war with the Hamas state and justified in only allowing essentials.


As the Israeli government document that is discussed in the article in my last link shows, the blockade is an act of collective punishment (a war crime under the Geneva Conventions) in order to accomplish the political agenda of forcing Hamas out of office. As such, it is an illegal blockade, and the people on board the ships of the flotilla had every right under international law, to defend themselves and their ships.