Carol I think that indiscriminate shooting would result in many people with few wounds, not 8 people with many wounds.

Keith, there were many people with few wounds. And a few people with many wounds. There are no hard figures because some people are missing and it's difficult to get information about everyone at this time, but the number of wounded is at least 30 and could be as high as 60, and the dead are at least 9 and could be as high as 19. I would say that 30 wounded people is certainly an indication of indiscriminate shooting.

The Israelis did fire their weapons on the other boats. They didn't use live fire, but they did use rubber bullets, tasers, and paint pellets on unprotected people. And they beat the people in the other boats, and abused them in many other ways. On previous flotillas, they use force in other ways, for instance ramming an aid boat and nearly sinking it, and various kinds of abuse.

But since they started using live fire before they boarded the Mavi Marmara, it cannot be argued that they were acting in self-defense when they did so, so they must have had an intention to kill people on that ship before they ever boarded it. And as we can see in the photographic evidence that Ali Abunimah presents, they were firing indiscriminately at passengers in situations where they were not being attacked or threatened.

I appreciate your not being willing to participate in the inappropriate use of the word "anti-Semitism", Keith. But I would put this differently...

Carol is a passionate supporter of tha Palestinian cause

I am a passionate supporter of human rights. I do not differentiate between groups of people when it comes to the issue of human rights.