Using a Sharps .50 caliber "buffalo rifle" Billy Dixon shot Minimic, a Comanche medicine mad, at 1,200 to 1,500 feet at the Second Battle of Adobe Wells.

John Sedgewick was shot and killed by a Confederate sharpshooter at over 1,000 yards (910 meters) at the Battle of Spotsylvania Courthouse on May 9, 1964.

The Whitworth rifle, purchased by the Confederacy from Britain during the US Civil War, had an effective range of 800 to 1,000 yards (730 to 910 meters) and a "total range" of 1,500 yard (1.400 meters).

My US Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1917 (the "Enfield") has a rear sight calibrated to 1,800 yards; it has been fired at 850 yards (factory ammunition) and shot a group six (6) inches across (not by me!).

There have been many "mile shooters", or at least long range, shots in wars over the years (and none of the above used telescopic sights). The archers at Agincourt couldn't see the faces of the cross-bowmen and French knights; the Persian archers and slingers at Thermopylae couldn't look into the eyes of the Greeks. Even in modern bayonet training you are trained to "aim your bayonet at the throat" and never look at your opponents face.

I abhor music that celebrates killing machines and men as simple killing machines. No machine, anywhere, will kill anyone unless a human agency causes it to. I could (but don't!) keep a hand grenade on my coffee table and nothing would happen until I or someone activated it.

I respect good shooting, I do NOT respect those who think that there is joy in killing another person. And this is the last post I'll make to this thread.